Sunday, December 28, 2008

Dissenting from "The Debate"

I jumped into Seth Abramson's attempt to formulate new terms for what he sees as distinct types of poetry in the current American litscape—alternatives to "School of Quietude" and "Post-Avant," the numbing dualism favored by so-called language poet Ron Silliman. Here's what I wrote to Seth, which will make little sense unless you read his original post:

I applaud the impulse to the jettison "SoQ" and "Post-Avant" because, as you say, they describe nothing in particular except the prejudices of the writer who uses them.

That said, I'm confused a bit by your own terms.


"Pragmatics," as I understand it, studies how the relationship between utterance and context creates meanings for the speaker and listener that do not exist strictly in the utterance itself. "Syntactics" is (according to Merriam-Webster) "a branch of semiotics that deals with the formal relations between signs or expressions in abstraction from their signification and their interpreters." "Cognitive semantics" is the broadest of the three, and simply (!?) assumes that speech arises from cognition but also influences the nature of cognition [imagine here pages of illustration]. If any of this is in the ballpark, I have to wonder how in the world you intend to use these terms descriptively of particular kinds of poetry, or certain poets, or individual poems. And even if you could—so what?


My personal objection to SoQ, Post-Avant, Conceptualism, Flarf and all the rest is that they are distinctions driven by theory, and that experience always, always, always trumps theory. The infantile attachment to theory that drives people like Silliman to count not only how many poets can dance on the head of a pin but to assert which poets and which pins are legitimate to dance on is a form of mania. Who does it serve? Not poets, and certainly not normal (that is, non-theory-obsessed) readers.

In fact, the mania seems to exist for no other reason than to make the maniacs feel good about their asylum, where they get three squares a day, soothing music in the game room, and a periodic injections of theory to keep them from addressing the raging, very real world outside the asylum walls. You know—that place where all the readers live.

I realize it's contradictory to engage in a discussion only to dismiss the value of that discussion, and a self-inquiry into my own motives leads me to wonder why I don't just avoid these debates altogether. Am I really opposed to Theory itself? Or am I opposed to the theories abroad at the moment? After all, whenever Bill Knott holds forth on kinds of poetry (see examples here and here), I read him excitedly—whether or not I agree with his terms.

What's the difference?

I stumbled on the answer to that question in Lewis Mumford's study of Herman Melville's life and thought. In considering the negative critical reception of Melville's masterpiece Moby-Dick, Mumford observes:

[T]his book is a challenge and affront to all the habits of mind that typically prevailed in the nineteenth century, and still remain, almost unabated, among us: it comes out of a different world, and presupposes, for its acceptance, a more integrated life and consciousness than we have known or experienced, for the most part, these last three centuries. Moby-Dick is not Victorian; it is not Elizabethan; it is, rather, prophetic of another quality of life which Melville had experienced and had a fuller vision of in his own time—a quality that may again come into the world, when we seek to pass beyond the harassed specialisms which still hold and preoccupy so many of us [italics mine].

Mumford's book was published in 1929, and 80 years later our preoccupation with "harrassed specialisms" is deeper and more entrenched than ever. We see this in the faux scholasticism of Silliman's post concerning his choice of Aram Saroyan's Complete Minimal Poems for the 2008 William Carlos Williams Award; we see it in this interview with the leadingtheoretician of Conceptual Poetry; and we see it in Seth Abramson's evident desire to anchor his categories of poetry in linguistic theory.

Mumford's observation—and the salutary experience of rereading Moby-Dick over the past few weeks—has made me realize that American poetry isn't being vitiated by Theory per se, but by the meanness of the theories that dominate the intellectual lives of poets—the majority of whom, let's be honest, begin reaching an audience only after their sensibilities have been sieved through the trivializing ideas of the French mafia (Barthes, Derrida, Foucault), the dubious "discoveries" of Wittgenstein and McLuhan, and the pseudo-intellectualism of UbuWeb founding editor Kenneth Goldsmith, whose Wizard of Oz phoniness even the credulous Silliman has managed to avoid being conned by.

Where are the large younger poets (under 40, let's say)? The ones whose work thrives not on harrassed specialisms but on the deeper currents of contemporary experience? I'll float some ideas on this subject in future posts—but I'm sure readers of this blog have suggestions of their own. If you do, please share—with links, as available.

Let's consider this sharing to be one productive way of dissenting from "the debate"....

12 comments:

jejacobson said...

Hey Joe, how do the confessional poets fit into this? I read somewhere that too much of the personal experience is confessional, and the confessionals did enough of that. I might be jumbling all of this up, but is there a difference between writing about experience and being a confessional? Is it bad to be a confessional either way?

I agree with the point that you make about Moby Dick and how poorly it was received in Melville's time--as humans, we don't always do a good job of choosing the literature of our time--the type that transcends the critics and mindsets of the time into something more universal.

Angela Genusa said...
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brian a j salchert said...

In a recent interview, Silliman said he is a "realist" and also that while he wouldn't write as they do, the "Flarf Collective"
has become of interest to him;
still, "no ideas but in things"
remains central to his practice.

I am slowly reading Timothy Morton's complex yet persuasive
Ecology without Nature
which was recommended by Dale Smith in a comment at Harriet.
It's amazing where and why he finds value. Here are several thoughts: the Cartesian subject/object
dualism, the ambient space between, the impossibility of ever making the subject or the object disappear, the fact that we are still in the Romantic Age.

Over at lemonhound.blogspot.com/ are: 1) the beginning of an essay by Lemon Hound that is an example of revealing and questioning long-held positions about his responses to poetry and 2) an interview of the astonishing Gary Barwin--scroll down until you see the link to it.

greg rappleye said...

Brilliant!

Joseph Hutchison said...

Your question about "confessional" poets is interesting, Joel, because—in contrast to the way we have come to talk about poetry in recent years—the notion focuses on a poem's content, not its verbal effects. The term comes from a 1959 review of Robert Lowell's Life Studies by poet and critic M. L. Rosenthal, entitled "Poetry as Confession." In it he remarked that Lowell seemed to regard poetry "as soul's therapy"—and I think it's fair characterization of Lowell's approach. Lowell thought of himself as a "representative man," so the idea wasn't that his personal life was important per se, only that his experiences were (or could be) revelatory of the society he lived in. It worked for him, I think; there are glories in Lowell you will find nowhere else. But the "confessional" impulse produced uneven results for other poets; only a few—Sylvia Plath, W. D. Snodgrass, Anne Sexton, John Berryman, Allen Ginsberg, and (in my estimation) Sharon Olds—have mined that vein successfully, and it's worth noting that Snodgrass moved beyond it after his first couple of books. Lowell himself ended up feeling burdened by the way he'd taught himself to write. The last poem of his last collection, Day by Day, is called "Epilogue," and goes like this:

Those blessèd structures, plot and rhyme—
why are they no help to me now
I want to make
something imagined, not recalled?
I hear the noise of my own voice:
The Painter's vision is not a lens,
it trembles to caress the light.

But sometimes everything I write
with the threadbare art of my eye
seems a snapshot,
lurid, rapid, garish, grouped,
heightened from life,
yet paralyzed by fact.
All's misalliance.
Yet why not say what happened?
Pray for the grace of accuracy
Vermeer gave to the sun's illumination
stealing like the tide across a map
to his girl solid with yearning.
We are poor passing facts,
warned by that to give
each figure in the photograph
his living name.

Lowell's chronic irresolution runs throughout. Is photography (nevermind a "snapshot") as fully "art" as painting? Does the power of Vermeer—or of photography, for that matter—arise from "grace of accuracy," or something deeper than accuracy? What does the "living name" have to do with it, when the human subject of Vermeer's famous painting remains unknown to us? The dilemma is something faced by all "confessional" poets.

That said, there's nothing wrong with using one's personal life in poems. I think there's no bar to anything in poetry. But it's easy to confuse "accuracy" ("this is really how it went") with art, and to think that one has written a good poem because it tells "what happened." If you think of crucial moments in your life—your inner life, I mean—you'll find that as often as not those moments can't be attributed to some outside event. On the other hand, "confessional" poets (the best one writing in that mode right now, again, is Sharon Olds) make it work by using outside events to reveal inner realities. The connection may not, in fact, be real; i.e., the connection may not have actually occurred to the poet at the time. Instead, the poet might use a certain event as what Eliot called an "objective correlative," a kind of "trigger" that the poem itself invests with psychic value.

You can see where I'm going. "Confessional" poetry is good not because it says "what happened," but because it reveals inner truths through a version of what happened. This requires not only great craft but great self-awareness. When you read the late poems of Sylvia Plath, for example, you'll see that she again and again breaks through her personal material the way Melville breaks through his whaling material—into an archetypal dimension where fundamental existential forces and/or forms can be glimpsed.

If you can bring off this kind of thing, more power to you!

Joseph Hutchison said...

Brian—thanks for the lead to Lemon Hound! And to Timothy Morton, whose work I don't know but look forward to looking into. Do you know Daniel C. Dennett? He's another one who's work I'd characterize as "complex yet persuasive."

Joseph Hutchison said...

Angela and Greg—thanks for the kind words!

Meg said...

Yes. Exactly.

Annandale Dream Gazette said...

You sure do like to use "pseudo," "so-called" and "faux" a lot. I suppose denying something is real is one way to argue, but not a very convincing way.

If experience and theory could be disentangled, then I would probably agree with you that "experience trumps theory." But I don't believe they can be separated. And I think your statement is simplistic and therefore pretty useless.

"...the deeper currents of contemporary experience" is a matter of opinion, I think. And I very much think that Flarf keys into the "deeper currents of contemporary experience," maybe especially because of its focus on the shallow and rotting aspects of contemporary experience. Specifically what Flarf writings have you read closely? ---because it sounds like you haven't actually read much of it, if one is to go by how you talk about it. I have no reason to defend Flarf, really, but the name-calling and viciously narrow-minded way you talk about poetry and poets is a little irksome.

Joseph Hutchison said...

Hello, ADG—

You say "the shallow and rotting aspects of contemporary experience" are the focus of Flarf, which you also say "keys into the 'deeper currents'" of that same experience. In-depth shallowness. That about sums it up. And if not pretending to like this stuff makes me "narrow-minded," so be it.

But whatever I think of Flarf, I fail to see how "pseudo" and "faux" constitutes "name-calling." You want some scathing (but entertaining) name-calling, drop in on Bill Knott's blog, whose knowledge and practice of poetry are much deeper than mine. But prepare to be irked!

Joseph Hutchison said...

Something occurred to me after my last response, ADG—namely that I am always open to persuasion. Maybe you could steer me to two or three Flarf poems that you consider excellent. It would be helpful to other readers of this blog too....


Cheers!
Joe

Annandale Dream Gazette said...

http://channel.walkerart.org/detail.wac?id=4680